in the federal trial, you have a more diverse themed jury, 8 white people, 3 blacks, one hispanic. in terms of how a jury might receive this information, joey, what do you think is the way these prosecutor versus to approach this scenario? if you're talking about the element of having to prove the racial animus, it's not enough just to prove, for example, that somebody generally has these viewpoints. they've got to show that it was the reason why they acted. will either or any of these three take the stand, do you think, in defense of their actions? at least at the state trial, the shooter did. >> yeah. so, excellent points, laura, right? to unpack that, number one, jurors, if you look at the state case where it was a lot less diverse, what did they do, right? in the deep south, they convicted -- we know the issues were different. it was not about race. it was about whether they killed ahmaud arbery and whether or not they kidnapped and confined him