>> get his legs up. roll him on the side. >> okay, i suppose. i mean in that moment joey jackson, look, i'm going to give you the assignment in this moment of picking one of these defendants as your client. is that the one, the one saying should we turn him over, should we do more here as a rookie? is that the one you think has the strongest defense? >> yeah, i really do, laura. i think certainly the other officers -- he's one of them was a rookie officer and was going to say he didn't know better, et cetera. but he attempted, right, made an effort. it wasn't enough. he wasn't aggressive enough. he could have done significantly more. we know he's not charged with the issue as it relates to