defending the rights of people to be unvaccinated and i was watching individuals that i know are vaccinated, which i think speaks to the point that you just made. >> yeah, you know, look, one of the things that i've always respected about your work and admired you for is that you paint things as complicated. you don't just cut right to the end and say, oh, it's all this or it's all that. there is nuance. it is hard, and as journalists when we talk about serious things we need to take them seriously. doesn't mean we have to take ourselves seriously, but we have to take these issues seriously and bring our best to them. >> yeah. a lot of this stuff transcends entertainment is what we're both saying. chris stirewalt, thank you so much for being here. >> you bet. slogans usually sell an idea, just do it, don't leave home without it. to name a few. one slogan back fired so badly it's got politicians around the country scrambling to sound more like their rivals. that is tonight's reality check with john avlon next. ♪ ♪ ♪ "how bizarre" by omc ♪