trump, public figures who had gone along with trump, in fact, in his efforts to prefigure a circumstance that will allow him to try to steal the election at the end. and when sort of his supporters lived down to the expectations, the worst expectations that people had of them as they assaulted the capitol, that sort of ruined the game, right? it ruined the pitch, which was, well, we're just asking serious questions about an election that may be rigged. those people who stormed the capitol took seriously what hosts like hannity and ingram and others said over the course of the election. this is very suspicious, mail ballots are very bad. this whole thing could be rigged. as they echoed trump, they primed the pump, they created that space. >> when i speak to private groups or public groups i'm often asked these cable folks and the talk radio hosts, do they mean what they say? now i'm looking at those texts versus the way this has been handled thereafter. what would your answer to that question be?