said, okay, i'll do it, and their families wanted them to do it, and that has made all the difference. >> you know that some business groups, i guess i'd cite "the wall street journal," their editorial said you're kicking small business when they can least afford it. >> covid is bad for business. mandates are good for business. covid's bad for business. i've heard from so many business people, first of all, bluntly have said please do it for us. if the government does it, we don't have to be -- >> the bad guys. >> we don't have to say let me explain this to you. we can just point to the sign on the wall and say, hey, everybody's got to do it. please make it as universal as possible so folks won't go from one industry to another, they're trying to shop for a place with no mandate. i think this is what's going to save business and what's the worst thing in the world for business, what's going on in germany, shutdowns, restrictions, that's what kills businesses. that's what kills jobs. mandates are actually going to save us from having a shutdown. >> tom friedman says the world is frat.