talking about the realities of what's happening in communities, not just the theories about what's happening in communities. >> all right. we need to let mark o'meara say a word and get something back in. mark the findings are disturbing. they're talking about one man arrested for not wearing a seat belt and giving his name as mike instead of michael. others arrested for a manner of walking along the roadway. are you surprised by this? do you think it's an ugly truth in many minority neighborhoods? >> see, that's the thing. there is a disease to the american criminal justice system, and it's below the surface, but it is sort of rising to the surface, blistered, if you will in ferguson. we cannot make believe that ferguson is the only town that has a racist problem as far as law enforcement. what i think we should do is take ferguson and make it an example. there's no question that it's an indictment by the justice department to say that ferguson did everything that they've deny for the past several years, but now that it is the focus, just because of mike brown's death,