first. >> he is obviously both. >> i understand that. i am saying, if he starts veering off into having these racial conversations all the time, in the way he has been doing it. it further divides this country. he is not doing it from a, from a point of twhut do we need to do to move forward. >> how can you say -- >> we just said we can't climb into somebody's mind. >> true. in every situation. racially charged. he has fallen on the side. not white america. black america. >> everybody says the black man isn't going to do it who is going to do it. i got to go. we'll be back. i'm sure we will be talking about this more. thank you. when we come back. 17-year-old, african-american leonard lacy's death ruled a suicide after he was found hanging from a swing set near his home in a small north carolina town. his mother says something does not add up. now the fbi is involved. my interview with leonard's mom, claudia next.