for an investigation. they say they've formed that commission with the help of the united states, with malaysian authorities, dutch authorities, they also say any country that had nationals aboard the aircraft, mh17, should be involved, can be involved. they called for wide ranging help. they've asked for the u.s. to send air accident investigation team, the fbi are sending two people, forensics expert and general investigation expert here, so for relinquishing control of it, it's not -- that doesn't appear to be something that's gaining ground at the moment, because at the moment the ukrainian government doesn't have control over it, but it is trying to establish an operations and control center not far from the region about five hours drive from kiev, but at the moment all hopes for a transparent investigation really rest on a truce in the area, which isn't happening, and