bush that was at tough an interventionist as one could imagine that the soviets grabbed two parts of georgia in 2008. this is not about president obama. this is about putin. >> right. >> i think there indeed have been places where the obama administration has messed up and syria is one of them. i don't think that has anything to do with president putin's actions today. >> you said you met some taylor swift fans over there who love the west. you'll bet on taylor swift winning hearts and minds more than putin, maybe push these people through this afwregs into the aren't of the west? >> in the long run -- in 1968 when the so let union invaded czechoslavkia -- maybe putin can