and in addition for to jamess question, the amount of research that went into developing the cocktails that basically didn't solve the problem, but it allowed people to live. out of normal life span. was something that was a huge effort throughout america. but very specifically on the west coast. so i look at this as a place where there was something very scary and out of control. that americans -- don't forget president reagan would never admit to the crisis or do anything about it. the country responded itself. researchers responded. people in the community responded. people in churches responded. actually there was a great deal of caring that went out and as devastating as it was in san francisco, it wasn't nearly as bad as people were worried about. and that was really as a result of the work and caring that people put in.