so he hasn't exactly refused the subpoena, right? i mean, what do you make of the strategy? >> the legal rules that will apply when doj decides whether or not they're going to charge and then when the matter goes before a judge and ultimately a jury in the district of columbia, look at this back and forth. it's called accommodation. we dealt with it often with our subpoenas in the first trump impeachment. i think that the repeated efforts and drama advertising them, you don't have to go to a hearing to make your point that you're willing to dry. dramatising them drives it home to doj. house republicans are insisting on a closed-door deposition, he's saying, hey, so many things that have happened behind closed doors have been twisted and distorted -- he has a point