party. they're libertarian and anti-police with no leaders or central organization. i want to understand what drew magnus to the movement and why he feels we've reached a point of no return. so tell moe a little bit about your upbringing. >> my family are all kind of like hippies sort of. so i grew up in the middle of nowhere, northern michigan, population 300 town. very isolated. >> what were some of the things that really made an impact on you after you left your bubble? >> definitely living in detroit and just kind of seeing, like, the idea of what america is supposed to be kind of doesn't exist there. there are abandoned buildings, the infrastructure destroyed but we have a state income tax and pay a lot of money. where is all the money going? >> in 2014 the city of detroit shut down water access to thousands who couldn't pay their water bills. magnus became an activist, helping residents illegally turn their water back on. what was your interaction with