back and forth. so back with us are our all-star panel waiting for roy wood and joe biden to get up and tell jokes, but while we are waiting for them. >> what better way to pass the time. >> what better way to pass the time than talk about this. catherine, i'll start with you. as you're looking at the posturing that's going on right you, what jumps out? >> i think it's been interesting to watch both ron desantis' actual behavior and how it is being portrayed and received by his party for that matter. you know, desantis to me has in many ways kind of modeled himself as a mini trump, like a smarter mini trump. he's gone after immigrants, he's done some of the conspiracy theorizing, he recently said the fed was going to take away your guns, for example. now he's, you know, fighting with mickey mouse because i think trump has kind of modeled