this as russia is hitting markets, bread lines, schools. is this all part of the russian strategy to try to inflict maximum pain on ukrainian civilians? >> i think that is. i think they're going to a war of extermination and they're trying to extract, or inflict such pain on the ukrainian people that they hope to break the will of the ukrainian people. but i think what we're seeing is the exact opposite. that even as they are besieging cities, sort of 15th century tactics with 21 century weapons, as they are doing all these things, frog marching away mayors from different cities, and of course, deporting people to russia. these are stalin tactics. i think what you're seeing is the exact opposite. the ukrainian people are just more resolution that they are going to keep their land, they are going to keep their country.