certifications. how significant is that? >> well, i think it is very significant for two reasons. number one, obviously, if people knowingly signed fraudulent ballots, the array of potential criminality is incredible. we will need to see accountability for that. it is also important, wolf, because people need to understand how coordinated, how planned and how possible it might have been that this coup attempt might have succeeded. if you think about january 6th, which happened in the room that i'm standing if right now, or if you think about rudolph giuliani standing in front of the four seasons landscaping, you might say, that was crazy. that wasn't planned. it turns out there was a legal theory. there was pressure put on the vice president who could have gone a different direction in the way he behaved that day. and these ballots, of course, are about creating uncertainty. they probably don't even need to be very good. if a number of people in this