about the former president's state of mind during that period and they say it appears that you had one or more conversations with the president during this period. of course mccarthy has discussed that he had multiple phone calls with the former president in various television interviews. so these are things that the committee believes he can shed light on if he sat down with them voluntarily. of course, he's the third republican to be asked for voluntary cooperation, wolf. and manu raju asked the minority leader about the possibility of testifying just a few months ago. listen to what he said. >> would you be willing to testify about your conversation with donald trump on january 6th if you were asked by an outside commission -- >> sure. next question. >> so there you have it. he said he was willing at that point. we don't know what his answer is going to be this time, wolf. and look, if he refuses to testify, it's not clear that this committee is willing to