distrust of nato, the fact that his demands, he insists, must be respected as a whole if any progress is to be made and really only serves to show that whilst we're looking ahead to these talks that have been announced for january it's very difficult to see what room for actual understanding there might be between nato and russia over ukraine. and bear in mind that this even as that front line continues to simmer with tension within east ukraine itself. we heard from france and germany tonight warning caution and urging reserve both on the side of pro-russian separatists and ukrainian forces. and that's the great danger here, is the world awaits those january talks as that rhetoric grows day after day it seems, the fear that that front line where we've seen since 2015 in that minsk agreement regular small-scale clashes, sniper fire, that those tensions might be exacerbated. it is that front line that the world's going to be watching very closely even as it waits for those parties, nato, russia to sit down around a table on the basis of demands that the