too. is that what you thought he was up to? >> yes. kevin goff is actually i pretty intelligent attorney. he just, i think he misstepped with that one. but i don't they it was a complete accident on his part. >> yeah. it struck a lot of people as very insensitive. i know you were in the courtroom. but outside of the courtroom it just struck a lot of people as being totally inappropriate. linda, what message do you hope today's verdict sends to other mothers out there seeking justice for their sons as we were talking with ahmaud arbery's mother in the previous hour and we made the note and she also made the note that this doesn't always end the same way for a lot of mothers in her case. what do you think that the message is being sent from this case to others, other mothers out there hoping for justice? >> i hope the message is that