persuasion and burden of proof to show that he did not act reasonably with the perceived chaos. final thing here. remember, the jury is from the community. they also recall not what -- a little more than happened a year ago. they probably have their own viewpoints about the chaos that ensued. their own perceptions and whether they themselves would have armed themselves. you have the community angle of it. you have the idea of the active shooter not being persuasive enough. and the idea he had no business being there, that simply was not enough to move the needle. >> sayrah, you're there. whacht what is the reaction that you're seeing? >> it's very calm tonight. throughout this trial, though, every single day there have been protesters who would come to the steps right on the steps of the court right up to the doors of the court. every day. you would see that about two dozen people at max. some of them were there to decry what they believed kyle