anticipated meeting will come one week from today, next wednesday in geneva when he sits down with putin. >> and don't forget. putin and biden know each other. biden likes to tell the story when he met with putin about a decade ago, he said to putin, you have no soul. and putin said to biden, then we understand each other. it's not as if these men don't know each other. however, i don't think biden is going there to blow things up with russia. i think he wants to find where he can agree mutually on certain things. i think the big issue is, this can't, from an administration point of view, look like helsinki three years ago. you have to presume it will note. >> i suspect it will not look like that. douglas, the biden-putin summit part of a long, tense relationship between these two men, right? >> very much so long and tense. of course, putin despised bill