hands. that's what discussion is going to be about. >> tom, you think the knife really matters? >> everything starts from the arrest for the knife. that's one of the key issues. secondly if those officers are later charged with reckless endangerment if they made a legal arrest and didn't do all of that we do know that he died in custody. for a civil trying there's in question. he's in police custody and died from injury while he was in police custody. it may not be to probecause surgeons tried to save his life and tampered with the crime scene by trying to work on his neck. >> what do we expect from the arraignment and moving forward? >> i think the arraignment is going to be pro forma. we're not going to see any fireworks, anything like that. and so that's just going to be really the beginning of the criminal trial process.