the baltic states they are under hybrid warfare attack right now. these aircraft flying around are part of that hybrid warfare. let's say there was a demonstration in latvia and buildings were taken over. the government says these are russians that have come in. someone says no i'm a latvian citizen who speaks russian. what would nato do? those are the questions that bother our allies in eastern europe. if it were to start that way as it started in ukraine, we don't know how it would end. that's the threat that nato must deal with not only the threat of a conventional invasion or some long-range cruise missile taking out radar, but the fact that through these hybrid warfare tactics nibbling away at nato he could undercut the credibility of the alliance. >> general, julia wanted to weigh in. >> one thing i was going to say is russia is already testing nato in the baltics.