and yemen, of course, is a country where al qaeda is very active. they cannot send them back there. they can't find a third-party country to take them yet. how dangerous is sending them back to yemen? how much recidivism can we see returning to the battlefield, returning to the fight? well, just a few months ago, the justice department and the state department put something like a $5 million reward on the head of a detainee that was released, went back to yemen and now is one of the most senior leaders in the al qaeda organization in yemen. so the president has a plan, 2015 is the year he's going to try to make it happen. but it may be tough to fully end the operations at guantanamo bay. >> it's a great example that really shows the perils here of sending some of these detainees back to areas that are so fertile for terrorism. we'll be talking with our panel about that. barbara starr at the pentagon, thank you. let's bring back in the panel, our military and security experts.