the proposed program before it was finally approved so they were in before the thing was actually put into place. >> and what about the chair, the chairman and the vice chairman of the senate intelligence committee and the house intelligence committee at that time? were they told about what you guys at the cia were doing? >> yes. the program officially began when i received the memorandum from the department of justice approving the techniques. >> do you remember who you briefed specifically? >> i was not in that particular briefing. but it was originally the chairman was a democrat senator. >> jay rock feller? >> no. before him. senator bob graham. and the ranking member, the republican member at this point, it escapes me. i'm sorry. then the election of 2002 happened. the senate flipped to republicans. jay rockefeller was brought in.