ukrainian military plane having no idea -- they had enough sophistication to push the but tob to launch the missiles, not enough sophistication to know what they were shooting at. then the plane hits the ground, they find the pieces and realize, oh no, we've sht down a passenger airliner. at this point, what happens? blame it on the ukraine. everybody is pointing fingers at each other. that's going to be a huge problem. i think ukraine can claim innocence because if they don't have their own military on the ground to secure that crime scene, then how could they have military in the area to shoot the plane down? >> peter goals, there are rumors as you know that these pro-russian separatists are already obtained the black boxes, the cockpit voice recorder. so much is unknown right now. what concerns you about all of the tampering that could be going on right now? >> there's two things.