of that still makes it negligent security on the part -- it's not the pilot versus boeing. it's the pilot and -- >> there was another pilot suicide that you guys worked on. the indonesian silk airlines plane. >> right. >> the u.s. concluded it was pilot suicide. the indonesian government never accepted that either, did they. >> they did not. >> what was their argument then? >> well, they tried to identify it as a rudder problem. but it was clear to us that this plane did not perform the way previous 737 that did have a rudder issue crash and we looked into his background, he had had severe trading lotszs on the monetary exchange. he had just taken out a large life insurance policy. and the way in which the voice recorder was turned off gave us indication. >> mark, you're a 777 pilot. is there any smoking gun evidence, anything you would look at right now to determine if one of the individuals in the