for president. i'll make that decision later, but now's not the time to talk about that. now is the time to talk about the opportunity we have this year. the only reason a man or woman should run for president -- i'm sure hillary views it the exact same way -- is if they think they're better positioned to do what the nation needs at the moment. >> you spent quality time with the vice president. what do you think about those responses? >> you know, those are just your usual hemming and hawing, i wish once in a while someone would come out and say, i'm really interested in the presidency and i'm starting my super pac. >> if there's anybody that would do it by accident it's joe biden. >> his problem is that you've got some of the obama people like jim messina, top obama person -- >> campaign manager in 2012. >> starting a super pac for hillary clinton and joe biden doesn't have that going for him right now. and i think that's a problem for him because it implies some kind of not real but maybe endorsement from obama, which