only two years away depending when those iowa caucuses are, new hampshire, south carolina to follow. joe, thank you. let's get back to dana, gloria and ryan. let me go to gloria first. it looks like everything is falling into place at least at this early stage for hillary clinton. >> look, hillary clinton is off on her own, by the way, giving lots of speeches, not out there campaigning, but she certainly isn't in hiding. then she's got this other organization which is completely separate from her, starting to raise money, do what they want to do. so if you look at it, you have to say hillary clinton is running even though they're running on two separate tracks. she is not running this fund-raising organization but she is running her own schedule. >> if hillary clinton does run, do you think joe biden will challenge her? >> i don't think so. there's no case for biden getting in the race -- >> he is the sitting vice president. >> he is, but there's not a policy case. it's not clear what he would run on against her.