coming over to the white house and they were having this fight again. he's just not going to negotiate. >> here's the interesting thing. people don't care about the debt ceiling being raised. the "wall street journal" just said, the people say don't raise the debt ceiling so the president has to turn around public opinion on that. >> this one, i bet he can turn around. because this one, people are so frustrated with the washington process, so frustrated with the discussion of a shutdown, if he can go out and argue that it's just a broken system, maybe he can win over a little bit of good will, although he has hurt himself as a leader, wouldn't you say, by the way he has conducted this syria discussion with the nation. >> spillover. >> he might be able to do it again and i think people are capable of kind of a right brain, left brain. we talked about this on foreign policy. >> thank you to you both. syria has been moving its chemical weapons. now u.s. intelligence apparently at odds over where the stockpiles are.