people got up on the witness stand and lied? i thought that was actually a very interesting tactic by the defense but i thought it was very effective. >> hold that thought for a moment, jose. martin, hold that thought. i want to go back to the courtroom now. judge debra nelson hearing the attorneys argue about another potential piece of evidence, an animation out there. i want to listen in a little. >> also as i informed mr. o'mara, it's difficult to tell based on objection j what the change in version three from version two really was based on. in other words, is it based on the idea that now we are only sticking to certain testimony whereas in deposition he testified that it was written statements, police reports, the defendant's video walk-through,