it doesn't sound like traditional punk, but it doesn't sound like anybody else but the clash either. ♪ running but i have no fear ♪ ♪ i live by the river ♪ >> punk was i think kind of a wide umbrella. and that wider scene included people who were a little more complex in their musical performance style. people aren't going to buy something that you call punk. they might buy it if you call it new wave. >> that punk rock these days, can we have your thoughts on that? >> i think it's better just to call it a new wave, really. i think by defining it as punk, you're automatically putting a boundary around what's possible. and i think bands like talking heads are excellent. >> talking heads was the ultimate college band. and they did a sophisticated, spiky music that reflected who they were. and it particularly reflected the fascinating individual that david byrne would emerge to become.