>> so somebody comes up to you and they give you a hug and say i'm with you, here's my problem, we have so many laws already and they are all designed to keep good people from getting guns and these bad guys, they are getting them illegally or stealing them, and they are the problem and you are just restricting my rights instead of targeting them. go after them. i love you, fred, and i want you to be successful but you are going after the wrong people the wrong way. what do you say? >> listen, i say they are buying into the lie, because here's the truth. the gun lobby that says that lie is also fighting tooth and nail to keep right now the atf without a permanent director. they fought tooth and nail for years and they have not had a permanent director, whose job is it to enforce the laws on the books. back in april i stood with president biden in the rose garden when he announced the appointment of dave chipman, and