had no knowledge of any alleged hacking. >> a basic mistake that murdoch and his allies made with us is that they attacked us with such ferocity that in addition to the original journalistic motive of wanting to tell the truth about the story, they pushed us into a second motive which was that we had to keep publishing in order to defend our own credibility. basically nobody else in the world of news in the uk wanted to pick up the story and run with it, so alan did a very unusual thing he contacted bill keller, the editor-in-chief at the new york times and said, "look, we've got this amazing story." >> i was longing for an american paper to come and do what american journalists at their best do really well. to his credit, bill keller didn't hesitate for a second and he put three reporters on a plane who came to the uk and more or less stayed in the uk for the next six months.