evan perez, who joins me now let's talk first about a cent. what would it sandoval hearing actually is for people don't know what's happening right now and sayyed the corner. >> well, in new york, what this hearing does is it allows the defense and the prosecution to fight it out in front of the judge as to what types of evidence they can bring in if donald trump chooses to testify.& so one of them things they want to do is to impeach his credibility as a witness. yeah. before this jury. and so what's going on right now in this hearing, does that is still ongoing? is the defense is pushing you back on every single instance that the prosecution wants to bring up. you pointed out, not only the e jean carroll ruling, right. one of the things that they got into a big back-and-forth over is the prosecution wants to be able to cite the earlier civil fraud judgment against the former president and one of the things that they're but the defense is saying is that look, that is a civil proceeding the