gin up in order to come up with an excuse to invade ukraine. so they're in lockstep to shoot down any of these things. the conventional wisdom is that a russian invasion would be preceded by one of these excuses like aggression, they would say, against russian speakers in eastern ukraine. i think it is also interesting to see where the daylight is between the united states and ukraine. they have seen similar intelligence take. for example, the 150,000 russian troops that are around ukraine that biden mentioned the last time he spoke. the ukrainians believe that to be a similar number. but while the u.s. says that an invasion could go straight to kyiv, that they could do significant damage and conduct a large scale invasion, the ukrainians reject that. they say that is not a big enough number to carry out a large scale invasion. to take and to hold kyiv.