say you go visit your relatives. if everybody is vaccinated, one answer is yes. my answer, yes, if you're vaccinated and test negative within 24 hours of that visit. get tested, in addition to being vaccinated. that is belt and suspenders but it's a lot safer given the uncertainties that are facing us with this virus. >> okay, given those uncertainties then, do you believe the biden administration's responses and this plan as the president announced and outlined is insufficient, is not urgent enough? for instance, are you saying that folks need to be more willing, for instance, to lock down, whether it be restaurants or schools or certain kinds of travel, right? we have loads of folks about to travel home for the holidays. >> look, i remember when we were told that the vaccine would protect you against infection. and it did. for a while.