see here. so if you're a democrat you're like what the heck? this is not a normal sishs. on the kremlin front of course they love this. this is confusing the entire argument of what corruption is and what corruption isn't. giuliani and trump are helping them. >> you have these two indicted giuliani associates who were indicted for campaign finance violations, funneling money illegally to pro trump organizations. >> and may have wanted to talk here, essentially implicate some of the players. what i think this also suggests the president hasn't quite damaged hunter biden and joe biden as much as he initially wanted to. he likely wanted to knock him out of the primary process. joe biden seems to be doing okay at this point. you see rudy giuliani and the president in this letter trying to advance more and more -- >> in fact joe biden is doing better than he was at the beginning of the impeachment process. >> giuliani also told "cnn