that it was michael mckinley that senior adviser to pompeo who resigned because there was not more done to defend against yovanovitch. this happened months ago. so pompeo knew that people wanted him to defend ambassador yovanovitch for a long time now. and he has been asked in an interview just last friday, he was asked, did you do enough to defend ambassador yovanovitch and he pivoted. he didn't really answer the question. he talked about the team at the state department delivering on the mission of the state department, but never once mentioning ambassador yovanovitch by name. >> so if he feels so beleaguered, why did pompeo stay quiet on yovanovitch when there was this clear campaign from giuliani and others to get rid of her. >> yeah. and this clear campaign encouraging him to say something. well let's take a step back. look at what president trump thinks of ambassador yovanovitch. in that phone call with president zelensky and president trump, president trump said that yovanovitch was very bad, said