pushing them to investigate joe biden, to get dirt. as rick perry was suggesting, that an energy company be restructured so as to help some of the people they're counting on to provide some of this dirt. would that be a crime? is that against the law? >> i have to think about whether or not that would be a crime. the question as to whether or not it's okay for u.s. government officials to be requesting foreign assistance, really, we can think about different statutory crimes, campaign violations, bribery, things in that realm. that seems extraneous. but the bigger issue is the constitutional issues, which is whether or not it's abuse of the executive authority to be requesting foreign assistance to assist in that campaign and whether or not rick perry now was in some way involved. if he knew he was involved, maybe he was being used in some way or whether he was actually