talk and losing their loved ones or losing their limbs and there was just nothing there. until we talk to the jurors we won't know how much that play add role in this but -- you know i have to believe it did. i mean we all, we here who attended this trial every day we saw the same person they did, and it was just so hard to fathom his inxrutscrutability played a role. >> and i don't need to tell you a rather liberal, progressive state, the death penalty is not supported. this, of course, is a federal case and so there is death penalty. >> right. >> in federal court. to be on this jury you had to not have an opinion about the death penalty. had you to be willing to dearcarry it out, if that's where the facts took you, but polls indicate it's not just martin richard's patients who didn't support the death penalty.