there's also a longer-term issue that's existed in baltimore. do you see a renewed interest -- a renewed commitment to forging ahead to making progress on those issues? >> i think a renewed commitment by the people, not by the establishment. the band-aid has been ripped off. and you need more than iodine. we need open heart surgery. the reality, anderson that nobody is dealing with is that freddie gray was apprehended, 8:48 in the morning. and he was not headed to work. when you will consider that 64% of those who live in that zip code are on some level of public assistance it's a great economic disparity. it's not just criminal justice. but when it is these people have to hear that the officers are on paid vacation and they don't have money to feed their children it raises the ire of why it is that they're upset. >> i was just talking to toya graham who now famously grabbed