by showing how tough the shutdown is but it makes the obama administration seem petty. >> when you shut down the government, when republicans choose to shut down the government, the government shuts down. the world war ii memorial shuts down and look -- >> you've been to the memorial. what's to shut down? it is open. it is on the mall. they had to build a fence. you think that was the right thing to do, to build a fence to keep people out of it? it's a 24 hour open space. >> when you don't have security guards, when no one is picking up the trash, there's no bathrooms, you can't let elderly world war ii vets go -- >> in '95 and '96 when there was a shutdown, people say they didn't shut down open air memorials then. there were pictures of barriers up over the lincoln memorial then. this happened before. yet for some reason we have republicans now being like oh, this never happened when clinton was president and there was a shutdown. of course it did. when you shut down the government, the government shuts down. >> he didn't take the position of president obama that i'm not talking to anyone. i'm grateful that president obama is in the white house and not president clinton who i