cruz's shutdown as well as president obama's. but here's -- >> they are afraid. they are afraid of the tea party wing of the republican party. >> here's the thing. if you look at the polls -- >> is that -- >> boehner follows cruz, mcconnell follows paul. that's the reality of the republican party. >> john boehner, the reason i said he has a very difficult task, john boehner is trying to hold a caucus together. >> right. >> and yes, there are elements of his caucus that are much more extreme than other elements in the caucus. the thing that i am disappointed by, frankly, with the republican caucus, is if you look at the data, if you look at the polls, the american people say don't shut the government down. however, 70% of the american people say let's have a discussion about spending. >> sure. >> along with the debt ceiling. that's the time for the fight. >> repealing or defunding obama care shouldn't be part of a cr negotiation. >> i agree with that. i think there are pieces. if it would have been me, i would have taken it on a piece-part basis. let's talk about the individual