but i think -- of course the scientific level -- i mean, tim was a very smart individual, probably one of the smartest people that i know. but ultimately i will remember his caring attitude. i mean, this is a man that i -- very hard to describe to you. you would almost have to meet him. he truly did care more about other people than himself, and that certainly showed anytime you spoke with him. you could be a novice chaser or what have you or just somebody off the street, and tim would take time to visit with you. and i think that caring attitude and that -- just that aura about him really i'm going to miss dearly. that's what i'm going to remember. i'm going to hold on to those -- i'm going to hold on to those memories. >> and, ed, lastly, what will you remember most about tim, having been a member of his team? >> well, just the knowledge that