absolutely factual what he's asserting. that said, what's the constitutional question? that's what we're supposed to be adjudicating, whether or not it's constitutional to deny people based on their sexual orientation to enter into marriage. let me just assert, i have no evidence whatsoever in places like spain, since 2005 and other countries of the world where marriage is an institution has been under any sort of assault or the sky is falling in. massachusetts and elsewhere in america we haven't seen that somehow there's been this devastating or deleterious impact because they are entering into the same institution we have been afforded in our lives. >> how about that, brian? we have not seen traditional marriage, opposite sex marriage harmed in any way places where it's taken place, have we? >> that's not true at all. one need only look to what happened in massachusetts where catholic charities adoption agency, one example, is put out of business because when you redefine marriage, you redefine it for everyone. it isn't just that couple. you are say that go religious organizations and individuals that know there's a truth, that it takes a man and woman to make