officers, they're watching. >> but they -- i mean, the u.s. toward the end was able to reverse a lot of gains that al qaeda had made was because of disenchantment by the tribal groups, and payments made to the tribal groups. the sunni awakening, the tribal awakening. are we seeing any evidence that there's this disenchantment? >> we are talking to the sunni tribal groups approved by baghdad. we're not talking to the al anbar tribes at all. because we have to pass through the so-called democratic process. which means the sunnis have to show abeyance to the shia government. and they're discredited. we do not know what they're going to do when the army moves in. if they move in with popular mobilization, the militias, so-called death cults, i think it's going to get worse. >> what we're looking at is a difficult but doable military