the elders maybe read during the meeting. i thought he was liked by everybody. he was very easygoing. >> i could relate with rick because he worked on high performance cars, and i have worked on race boats and race cars myself, so on that level, we had a lot in common. and often, our two families would work together out in door-to-door ministry. >> we started doing family things with them right after their daughter was born. they wanted to go on vacation with us in the summers. they invited us over to dinner a lot. so we ended up doing a lot of things with the mcleans. he always wanted to do stuff