some efforts going on there. there is another symbolic thing we could consider. that's consider the separatists as terrorists. name them as a terrorist organization. that brings in a whole new panoply of things. the victims can go after those who supply money, arms, et cetera. that would be a very symbolic move. >> speaking of the money, mark, will the families ever see any kind of justice, maybe any kind of compensation? >> i think there is a difference between the question of justice and the question of compensation. will they see compensation? the answer is yes. i think under the international agreements that your viewers have heard about for the last several days, there is a contractual obligation. quite frankly it's premature and irresponsible to suggest that beyond the contractual compensation malaysia airlines would have additional liabilities. the suggestion that somehow they