if you could interview him now -- have you haven't spoken to him since you turned down the rnc. >> when i turned it down it was the last time we spoke and he said, you know, what are you doing? and i explained to him in the nicest way it would be difficult for me, i said i'm not really actually comfortable being a public speaker, which i'm not. i never was a stand-up comic, i don't like getting up in front of audiences, this radio studio suits me just fine. i'm alone with robin, she's my audience, i'm in heaven, it's great. so, you know, it struck me as even odd, i know he was a hillary clinton fan, he was a supporter of hers so the whole thing was weird. and i am -- i have been a hillary clinton supporter way back before even when obama when she was trying to get -- i think she's a terrific public servant.