that his response, and i know what you're talking about. senator ron wyden's statement. mr. clapper went on the andrea mitchell program and said it was the least truthful answer he could give. i'm guessing you're saying that is not satisfactory. should the president ask for his resignation? >> i can't imagine how you regain your credibility when you lie, come in front of the senate, and a senator asks you a direct question, which by the way he was warned of, according to senator wyden's office, they called the director of national intelligence and said, we are going to ask you this question. so even though he was told in advance he would get the question, he still lied in a public hearing. i think there needs to be an open debate and americans need to decide are you willing to give up the data on all of your phone calls every day all the time because of your fear for terrorism or do you think like i do that you can catch terrorists